Celestron CM 1400 SCT
Intes MN56 Mak-Newt
Starmaster 10" EL Dobsonian
By Ed Ting
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Celestron CM 1400 8/6/99
(14" f/11 Schmidt-Cassegrain, CI 700 mount, drives, 26 mm Plossl,
9X60 finder, about $6000 street)
Is there any astronomer out there who hasn't thought about owning one of these?
As the granddaddy of the king-sized Schmidt Cassegrains, these C14 scopes
have a long and rich history. Early versions were white-tubed and were fork-
mounted. Later came the orange tube versions, also fork-mounted. While
these scopes generally had a very good reputation optically, mechanically
they have had always been unwieldy. You practically had to be The Incredible
Hulk to hoist the massive tube/fork arm/drive assembly onto the tilted wedge,
and in the dark, no less.
An older, orange-tubed C14
Thanks to Dave Jurasevich for photo
In the mid-1990's, Celestron brought these scopes into the modern era by
pairing the tube (now painted black) with Losmandy's excellent G11 German
Equatorial mount. These were called CG14s. For 1999, the C14 gets a
slightly modified (cheaper) version of the G11 called the "CI 700." All
the newer (black-tubed) versions are lighter (the OTA now weighs only 49
lbs), simpler, studier, and more elegant. They are also easier to balance
A reader from the NYC area who was vacationing in New Hampshire
called me up one evening to ask me to evaluate the scope (a man who
takes a 14" Schmidt-Cassegrain with him on vacation is my kind of guy!)
Unfortunately, circumstances beyond our control meant that the scope
didn't get set up until well after dark, so I couldn't take a picture.
...which is a shame, because you really need a photo on a review like
this. As you might suspect, the scope is massive. After assembling
it, one's inclination is to step back and just admire its sheer physical
size. It looks like a C8 on steroids.
The scope assembles in about 15 minutes. Subjectively, it is slightly
easier to put together than Meade's 178ED 7" refractor. There are 2
chrome handles on the back of the scope, which are a godsend. The
mirror is heavy enough that Celestron advises you to lock the mirror
in place using two locking screws on the rear of the scope before
transport. The "CI700" mount is very sturdy, but I found a few items
on it that deserve mention.
In short, the CI700 is a cheaper version of the G11. The head appears
to be the same, but the tripod uses spreader bars instead of the
molded-in flanges on a G11. The CI700 legs are thinner than the
ones on the G11. Also, the control box is permanently mounted
on a half-pier, and the RA cable attaches to a flimsy-looking
connector atop the box. One of the mount's allen bolts passes
perilously close to this flimsy connector, and to me it's just a
matter of time before it breaks off (the G11 uses the sturdier
phone cord-type connectors for the RA and Dec cables.)
The nice RA and Dec clutch/tension knobs on the G11 are replaced
by locking bolts placed in non-intuitive locations. I'm sure I'd get
used to them over time, but on this night they confounded me
every time I needed to use them. Finally, the hand paddle was
broken on this sample.
Once past these niggles, however, the mount functioned just fine,
and with the right tension on the axes, I found the motions of
the scope "Dobsonian-smooth" and didn't even miss the absence
of the hand paddle. I should also mention that, unlike the G11,
the CI700 does have manual slow motion controls.
In case you haven't done the math, this telescope has a 3910 mm
focal length. For someone accustomed to a 4" f/8 APO, this took
some getting used to. A 32 mm Plossl yields 122X, and a 7 mm
Nagler makes a whopping 558X. My first target was M13 and I let
out a little gasp when I found it. The light-grasp, resolution, and
sharpness were superb, much better than I had expected. A quick
star test revealed excellent spherical correction, although it was
hard to make exact quantitative estimates due to a slight mis-
collimation of the optics.
We toured most of the familiar summer objects, including the Ring,
the Dumbbell, M8, M20, Albireo, Epsilon Bootes, and a few of the
brighter galaxies in Ursa Major. In each case, the image scale
of the objects surprised and delighted me. M82 was huge and
detailed with a 22 mm Panoptic (178X.) The Dumbbell showed
an impessive amount of detail at the same power with an O-III
filter. The Ring Nebula was more like a disc than a ring. On the
moon, we kept pumping up the power until Clavius filled the field
of view at 558X in the 7 mm Nagler. The image held up better
than you might think.
Drawbacks? Besides the obvious -size, weight, and cost- the long
focal length and narrow field of view may make some observers
feel a little claustrophobic. You are pretty much trapped into
using medium or high power. The owner of this C14 doesn't have
any other telescopes, and I joked to him that one day he is going
to wake up in a cold sweat dreaming about a TeleVue Ranger. Also,
you will need a small step stool to reach the finder at certain positions.
If you can live with the above concerns, however, this King Kong-
sized SCT comes pretty close to being an Ultimate Telescope. Its
long focal length will please double star and planetary observers,
and it gathers enough light for deep sky fans. About the only thing
it won't do is provide wide field deep sky views. Finicky observers
might want to buy the C14 OTA and a G11 separately, and mate the
two together, or locate a used CG14 unit. An extra finder or two
wouldn't hurt either.
An excellent telescope.
2) Intes MN56 Maksutov-Newtonian 8/6/99
(5" f/6 Mak-Newt, 6X30 finder, tube ring, $795)
There seems to be an endless variety of these Russian Maksutov-based
scopes out there. I have trouble keeping them all straight in my head.
This one is the 5" f/6 unit, one of the versions you cannot get under
the "Argonaut" name from Orion. It's compact (13 lbs), and looks like
an MN61 (reviewed elsewhere) that's been left in the dryer too long.
The finder is mounted on a sturdy stalk and has two mounting locations
on the tube. A metal plate screws off the back and exposes holes
drilled into the back plate, to help hasten cooling.
The sample tested was a loaner from Bill Burnett at ITE. Bill had given
the scope to Todd Gross, who forwarded it to me after raving about it.
Click here to get Todd's review of this same sample.
The Intes MN56, on the GM-8
Hybrid catadioptric scopes like these used to be curiosities, but
they're relatively mainstream these days. Briefly, a Maksutov-
Newtonian is similar to a normal Newtonian, but with a Maksutov
corrector plate in front. The small (23.6%) central obstruction
and the lack of a secondary spider do a good job of fooling you
into thinking you're looking through a premium refractor.
We used the scope over several nights mounted atop a Losmandy GM8.
We compared it to several scopes, including a Takahashi FS102 and
a few light buckets. Optically, the scope is outstanding, just like
its big brother, the MN61. We looked at the usual summer Messier
objects and several doubles, including Pi Aquilae, Delta and 52
Cygni, Albireo, Epsilon Lyrae, and Pi Cephei. In each and every
case the MN56 at least equalled the performance of the FS102, and
in a few cases, the MN56 was actually a little bit better. If you
looked very closely, you might discern that the FS102 had a tiny
edge on contrast at certain times, but I don't think anyone would
notice unless you had the scopes set up 5 feet away, the way we did.
The scope threw up wonderfully contrasty and sharp views of deep
sky objects. I found all of the Messier objects in Sagittarius,
Scorpius, and Ursa Major. Globulars like M10, M12, M13, and M92
looked great, even at higher powers. One hallmark of a good telescope
is its ability to absorb stupid-high powers, and the MN56 is no
exception. It likes the 2.5 mm Lanthanum (305X) and the scope
looked as if it could handle perhaps a little more.
In theory, an obstruction of any size (even the stingy 18%-23%
obstructions on the MN61 and the MN56) will degrade stellar images
be transferring the energy from the airy disk out to the diffraction
rings. This has the effect of lowering contrast and in general
"muddying" up the image. However, in practice, these Mak-Newts
work so well that I think anyone shopping for an expensive APO
should at least look through one of these before dropping the
long green for a refractor.
The MN56's star test was excellent. I have trouble discerning
spherical aberration once it gets to about 1/8 wave or so, and
wasn't sure I could see much wrong at all in the star test on
this unit. ITE inspects each unit that it ships, so you should
be in good hands (this is important on imported scopes like these.)
In reading over what I've just written, I've probably just sold a
bunch of these for the Intes dealers out there. However, before you
whip out those credit cards, there are a couple of things you should
First of all, the finder is just awful. It isn't sharp, you can't see
the crosshairs, the eyepiece has zero eye relief, and the focusing
mechanism is so loose it goes out of focus if you so much as
touch it. Had the scope been mine, I would have chucked the finder
into the woods on the first night. On the second night, I installed
my own 6X30 Vixen finder into the bracket, which lowered my blood
pressure several points. Luckily, though, this scope is so cheap,
you'll have plenty of money left over to get a good finder (ITE says
that users can upgrade to a 7X50 finder or a Telrad for about $50.)
The scope has a helical focuser, which although well-made, was
mildly annoying. Also, the focus plane lies so far above the tube
that the TeleVue eyepieces I had wouldn't come to focus even with
the drawtube fully extended. I had to raise the eyepieces off the
focuser and clamp them with the set screw. It's fair to point out,
however, that another observer present said none of this bothered
him. (ITE says that with Orthoscopic eyepieces, or the Clave
Plossls, the scope will reach focus without extending the tube.)
Finally, as the scope has the visual appeal of a brown paper
bag, it is unlikely to instill the pride of ownership that an
expensive APO will.
Readers should also note that the tube ring is drilled for a GM8/
G11 or an Astro-Physics plate. It also mates with the plate that
Orion sells for its Sky View Deluxe mount, so you can use the
scope with any of the cheap Taiwanese-clone mounts (Sky View
Deluxe, HD, Spectiva, LXD300, Starplitter GEM, Discovery, etc.)
You'll need another counterweight. If you use one of the Vixen
mounts (the Super Polaris, Great Polaris, or GP-DX) however, you
may have to do some creative drilling or tapping and get another
I feel like a dolt complaining about these items on a $795 scope
that performs this superbly, but they did come up. Once you
have the issues of the finder, focuser, and mount sorted out in
your head, you are all set.
View of the cooling holes. Normally, a plate
covers this up.
I think anyone looking for an APO in the 4"-7" range should
seriously look at these 5" and 6" Mak-Newts. The MN56 is
so cheap, you can buy one, get a luxury finder like the Tak-
ahashi 6X30 unit, pick up a used GM-8, and have a killer rig
for about $2000 (about the price of a 4" APO OTA.) This MN56
is, in short, a telescope with super optics, quirky mechanics,
plain-jane looks, and is a major bargain.
In other words, it's a typical Russian scope. Okay. Now whip
out those credit cards.
Intes MN56 Hots
Sturdy, overbuilt construction
Intes MN56 Nots
You'll need to get a new finder
...and possibly a new focuser as well
Performs like Meryl Streep, looks like Jack Klugman
3) Starmaster 10" EL Dobsonian 10/4/99, 12/4/00
(10" f/6 Truss Dob, light shroud, JMI focuser, was $1995, now NLA)
(11" f/5.4 version also available at $1995)
From woodworker Rick Singmaster and master mirror-maker Carl Zambuto
comes this innovative Dobsonian. The upper truss assembly, light shroud,
and the truss tubes are one solid piece. While this makes the scope
somewhat bulkier than your average truss-type reflector, there are a
couple of advantages. First, the scope retains its collimation after
many assembly/disassembly cycles. Also, the setup time is very quick
-- you screw down four bolts and start observing. Starmaster claims
a setup time of one minute, which sounds about right.
Let's Go Embarrass Some Refractor Owners!
The 10" Starmaster EL
I had some very encouraging views through this telescope at Astrofest
1999, and was going to request a review sample, when a fellow club
member saved me the trouble and bought it. Looking at the scope, it's
clear that Rick Singmaster didn't graduate from the "less is more" school
of thought when he made these ELs. The scope is big, bulky, and heavy.
It weighs 67 lbs assembled, and is almost as large as my 12.5" Orion DSE
(many of Starmaster's telescopes are somewhat larger and heavier than
their premium-Dob competitors.) However, this increased mass translates
into better stability at high powers.
I won't mince words here: This is an awesome telescope. At Astrofest, I
could not find anything in the field that was significantly better, at any
price level. I do not know what Carl does to these mirrors, but I can say
that every Zambuto-equipped telescope I have ever seen has been a real
stunner. I have trouble tearing myself away from the eyepiece. After
viewing this sample, many club members have gone and placed orders for
themselves. In fact, the owner of this 10" model was so impressed, he
went ahead and ordered one of the 11" versions as well.
Excellent reflectors like this one are going to serve as a wake-up call to
those who thought they needed an expensive refractor to get images this
sharp. I felt as if I could look at the Double Cluster with the 35 mm
Panoptic all night if I wanted to. Ditto for Jupiter and Saturn with the
13 mm Nagler later in the evening.
The EL, disassembled
Drawbacks? Aside from the size and weight issues, the JMI focuser seems
placed for TeleVue eyepieces, which take an unusually large amount of out-focus
travel. This is fine if you use TeleVue eyepieces, but if you use orthos, like
the ones from University Optics or Pentax, there is not enough in-focus travel
to accomodate the units with focal lengths shorter than about 12 mm.
Other than that, I am hard-pressed to find any faults with this handsome,
super-sharp telescope. Unfortunately, as with any premium telescope these
days, there is an availability issue. If you have read this far and think
you want one, it may already be too late. Carl Zambuto made an initial run
of ten 10" mirrors, and the scopes they went into are already sold out. A
run of ten 11" mirrors (same focal length, same size and mechanics as the 10"
units) is due out near the end of 1999. I understand Carl has committed to
do another run of ten 10" mirrors. After that, there may not be any more.
It's a shame -- Thirty telescopes of this level of quality does not seem like
nearly enough for the astronomical community. If you want one, act quickly,
Starmaster Responds, 10/4/99: According to Rick Singmaster, these scopes
will continue to be made as long as the public wants them, in lots of ten. Based
on my past experience, however, you may have to wait a while for your Zambuto
mirror. I would still advise you to move quickly if you want one.
Also, Starmaster states that there is about 3/4" of collimation travel in
the main mirror. Users can move the mirror back or forward to accomodate
differing eyepieces. This is said to be a two-minute operation. Rick admits
that the scopes shipped are optimized for TeleVue eyepieces.
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